tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post1146425774981786160..comments2009-04-18T01:37:31.758+01:00jfshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13154641479666334229noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-84597181610169694612009-04-18T01:37:00.000+01:002009-04-18T01:37:00.000+01:00WORK FASTER AMZIvanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00020628360979333859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-68189837393976614712008-12-17T16:17:00.000Z2008-12-17T16:17:00.000ZI don't know if anyone is still keeping up with this thread over two months later, but I'll post anyway...<BR/><BR/>Anyway, as far as content, I would consider following the Japanese Kanji Certification test (日本漢字能力検定) steps rather than the JLPT. The JLPT doesn't really focus that much on kanji, plus only four (4) steps means a lot groups together. The "Kanken" (漢検) goes from level 10 to level 1, with a level 2.5 and 1.5 for a total of 12 steps; Of course level 10 being the lowest.<BR/><BR/>The problem is finding the breakdown of kanji/level. Short of buying (importing) some practice books/tests, I'm not sure how you'd find the breakdown.<BR/><BR/>Here's the official Kanken site: www.kanken.or.jp But unless you're already pretty fluent in Japanese, you probably won't be able to navigate it very well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-20660999929784258672008-10-15T17:43:00.000+01:002008-10-15T17:43:00.000+01:00[Oh, and yes, profiles would be simple .txt files that you can just share.]amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-43580430816185254882008-10-15T17:42:00.000+01:002008-10-15T17:42:00.000+01:00My idea is that it would list "profiles". On that same screen, you could add, remove or edit profiles.<BR/><BR/>Each profile would also list how much % through it you are. So, for example, it would ship with a few standard profiles like JLPT4, JLPT3, Grade 1, Grade 2, etc... Completing one would also count as progress for others.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the program would let you enable or disable profiles as in a checkboxes, so you could study more than one at a time (although nothing stops you from studying one, then the other, as progress on the first would count towards the shared kanji in the second).amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-43742897459793017012008-10-15T15:52:00.000+01:002008-10-15T15:52:00.000+01:00The main point of that was for it being exportable and share-able if other people would perhaps want it. (Maybe someone would make it for a textbook and someone else has the same book, #2 wouldn't have to reassign all the kanji again, but could rather import the already-made order. :)Hyrrokkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-38255753464751841492008-10-15T03:07:00.000+01:002008-10-15T03:07:00.000+01:00Thanks, I'm sure that site will be handy. :)<BR/><BR/>Being able to customize your own Kanji list is pretty much a given, and will be one of the first features.amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-39955209448439840562008-10-14T21:30:00.000+01:002008-10-14T21:30:00.000+01:00&lt;--- slow<BR/><BR/>Anyway, for different displays, I&#39;d suggest using the 6 &quot;main&quot; font styles, &quot;Gothic&quot;, &quot;Kaisho&quot;, &quot;MaruGothic&quot;, &quot;Mincho&quot;, &quot;Pop&quot; and &quot;Textbook&quot;.<BR/><BR/>You can see the differences in hiragana on the following page.<BR/><BR/>http://simnet.is/benegaut/InstantzJP/shape.html<BR/><BR/>Also, I suggest that you set up options for how many points the user wants to have to get to &quot;Master&quot; a kana/kanji. Also, an import function for different setups of kanji. You could have your system of 5 at a time, an option to have them appear in the JLPT order and in the order of James W. Heisig (See: http://kanji.koohii.com/ ) -- And an ability/function for users to build these themselves. (Maybe some place where you can get more/different settings?)<BR/><BR/>Just a couple things that I think would be great to include. :3Hyrrokkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-55981616098124997102008-10-12T17:08:00.000+01:002008-10-12T17:08:00.000+01:00I've decided to just stop trying to do things the hard way and go with C++ (if that statement sounds contradictory to you, you should take into account the fact that I'm insane).amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-58999606602846625642008-10-12T01:48:00.000+01:002008-10-12T01:48:00.000+01:00Maybe I should point out that I'm now considering using Python for this.amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-70360930022086541802008-10-11T17:23:00.000+01:002008-10-11T17:23:00.000+01:00Well, six might be tricky because it might be that a kanji "up next" in the list doesn't show up in any words that don't involve more advanced kanji, and we can even get a deadlock here: It's possible that kanji A only shows up in combination with kanji B, and vice-versa. If that does happen, we'd be forced to teach both at once.<BR/><BR/>For performance, it's likely that all relevant data would be precomputed (and perhaps stored in a SQLite database?), so I don't think that it will matter much.amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-58074026472724565002008-10-11T13:56:00.000+01:002008-10-11T13:56:00.000+01:00For programming languages, well, it depends on your goal and you didn't make this clear. Does it need to be something new? It seems to me like C++ would be best suited for the program, mostly for performance reasons. If traydict is any indicator, searching through EDICT can be pretty slow.<BR/><BR/>3 does seem like it would be difficult, I have a few ideas but I'd need a giant pile of tests to see if it actually works.<BR/><BR/>Why is 6 hard? You have your new kanji, the word your are checking, and a list of kanji the user has learned. Check that all kanji except your new kanji are in the learned list. Maybe I am missing something?<BR/><BR/>I might be interested in contributing, give me a poke if you get anything started.Unearthlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-77664803052428091002008-10-11T04:05:00.000+01:002008-10-11T04:05:00.000+01:00Oh, and about using wx for C#, I don't think that I even want something with an user interface similar to that of traditional apps... besides, since I already know wx, I'd be tempted to just use C++ for that. :)amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-19533593172582809092008-10-11T03:51:00.000+01:002008-10-11T03:51:00.000+01:00Thanks for the feedback. On the "mixup" thing, Kanamemo implemented the following algorithm: every kana starts at 0 points. You must reach 3 points to "learn" it and 10 to "master" it. When you learn all on a given level, you get another batch of 5 kana, and the more you know it, the less it will show up in the future. When you mix up two (say that it shows さ and you enter "chi"), it deduces 10 points from both. I found this to be very effective as it forced the "problem" kana to show up a lot, both of them, ensuring that I learned the difference between them.<BR/><BR/>For kanji, this would be a lot trickier, since there would be no easy way to tell WHICH kanji the user mistook it for, but it's something to consider...amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-34531086967313088042008-10-11T00:31:00.000+01:002008-10-11T00:31:00.000+01:00I&#39;ve been looking for such a program for a while now, never found one I really like.<BR/><BR/>I think it&#39;s really important to allow the user to enter a custom list or kanji since every single book or course has its own order.<BR/><BR/>Turning the whole thing into a game may give extra motivation to some, but other might want to study kanji while doing something else (like watching a so-so anime series or pretending to be earning their living) and will prefer a very simple interface. Having two different programs using the same progress data might be a solution.<BR/><BR/>About the translations, I believe they must be learned too, but kanji usually convey a general idea or two, and their meaning change when they&#39;re used in different verbs/nouns... Also, when asked for the translation of a word, you might think of a synonym of the &#39;answer&#39; and will end up being very frustrated... Querying a synonym dictionnary is probably overkill though. Just having a few translations displayed when a correct reading is entered might be enough to actually remember the meaning of the character/word.<BR/><BR/>Special readings are another frustrating thing, you may know 今　and 日 perfectly, but that doesn&#39;t mean you can write &quot;kyou&quot;. Having the program ask for special reading when you know the two or three kanji composing the word is important, i belive. <BR/><BR/>Another interesting thing to do is making sure the learner doesn&#39;t mix up kanji that kinda look the same (牛　午　and 年 for example) by incresing the probability that kanji known but similar to an unknown one appear. For example, if you failed on 午, 年 and 牛 are very likely to appear in the next few draws (though it probably wouldn&#39;t be fair to decrease your score for the &quot;look-alike&quot; kanji). To get this working you&#39;d need to use some kind of OCR, and i&#39;m not sure wether it&#39;s worth the extra dependencies or not. (I&#39;m not even sure how well OCR works with kanji.)<BR/><BR/>Yet another aspect of learning kanji, is learning to write them, in the right order and with the correct number of strokes, but once again, it requires some kind of visual recognition and is probably not worth the effort since most people only want to be able to *read* kanji.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the wall of text &gt;_&gt;;Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-55483231230359774642008-10-10T05:40:00.000+01:002008-10-10T05:40:00.000+01:00wxWidgets can also be used with Mono/C# : http://wxnet.sourceforge.net/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-11590860123568211872008-10-10T03:54:00.000+01:002008-10-10T03:54:00.000+01:00The problem is that GTK is quite horrible under Windows.amzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08221067304852933053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-337536679221777590.post-60044206559270734182008-10-10T03:50:00.000+01:002008-10-10T03:50:00.000+01:00You could do it in C#/Mono with a GTK# user interface. This would allow it to run on all platforms supported by GTK and Mono, and you'd probably learn a lot. Mono 2.0 was recently released and it supposedly offers a ton of improvements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com